\centerline{\bf More SGML} \medskip \noindent The \sgml\ Users Group has regular meetings, often held at the British Standards Institute in London. This is a rather pleasant venue, since the building in Green Street (just off Park Lane) is rather old, with all sorts of fancy ceilings and ornamentation --- just the thing to distract and amuse. The Users Group meetings are (to my mind) rather sparsely attended (usually no more than 20--30), but it is always fascinating to see what \sgml\ is up to. I want to comment on presentations made at two meetings: one held on September 12th, and the other held on December 2nd. The relevant paper at the earlier meeting was from Eric van Herwijnen of the Data Handling Division at {\sc cern}, Geneva. He was concerned with promoting the use of \sgml\ in an environment which boasted a wide range of computing equipment, from personal machines through Suns and VAXes to Crays. He presented a checklist which was designed to help identify those documents which ought to be coded in \sgml: \item{$\bullet$}will the document be kept after it has been read? \item{$\bullet$}will the document be updated later? \item{$\bullet$}does the document have a complicated structure? \item{$\bullet$}is the document longer than a few pages? \item{$\bullet$}will the document be added to a database? \item{$\bullet$}does the document have to follow the {\sc cern} house style? \item{$\bullet$}does the user already know \sgml\ or an existing \sgml\ tool? \noindent A positive answer to any of these questions indicated that \sgml\ ought to be given serious consideration. The alert and observant will be saying `Why not use \LaTeX\ instead?' Eric had a response: he considered that \sgml\ had the following advantages over \LaTeX \item{$\bullet$}\sgml\ is an {\sc iso} standard, while \LaTeX\ is not. \item{$\bullet$}{\sc cern} will register its DTD (Document Type Definition) in accordance with the ISO rules. \item{$\bullet$}input systems for \sgml\ are becoming available (Author/Editor, {\sc mark-it}, Publisher, Grife). \item{$\bullet$}\sgml\ is being adopted by the publishing world. \item{$\bullet$}\sgml\ is suited to document database applications. \item{$\bullet$}\sgml\ support is easier. \item{$\bullet$}\sgml\ has been chosen by Eric's department for the future office system at {\sc cern}. \noindent It wasn't clear to me why \sgml\ was the obvious candidate, but it is obvious that systems which have the label `standard', and which have some sort of economic or commercial clout behind them appear more attractive to large organisations. The other paper was from Paul Ellison at Exeter University, who discussed how maths could be handled in \sgml{}. As I have noted elsewhere, \sgml\ usually opts out of maths, and leaves it up to some competent system to handle. Usually this is either |eqn| or \TeX{}. Paul showed how maths could be coded in \sgml{}. One of the \sgml-based criticisms of \TeX\ is the way it handles superscripts and powers: how do you distinguish between |x^2| where the 2 is a power, and |x^2| where the 2 is a superscript. Well, the short answer is that no mathematician in his right mind would use such ambiguous notation. Of course there is an easy solution to this. There is no reason why |\sp| shouldn't mean `superscript' and |^| mean `power'. Try writing |\sp| sometime and see what it does. Paul had confused a |plain|\TeX\ facility with a coincidence of expression. But it is a point which Knuth treats ambiguously too --- but hardly a reason to discard \TeX! In his examples of \sgml\ coding Paul also tackled the problem of `pre-scripts' like $_nx$, which have to be handled in a rather awkward, although very explicit, way. I have never been too happy with the \TeX\ coding here, since eventually you end up having to say things like |_na+{}_nb| in order to guarantee the spacing of $_na+{}_nb$. The |{}_nb|, if it is read as |{}_n|, followed by |b|, is meaningless. I really cannot see \sgml\ coding of maths catching on. With very few exceptions, \TeX\ is unambiguous in its treatment of maths; a little extra exposition and discipline would have been sufficient to remove any problem areas. The extra pain and effort of invoking \sgml\ seems out of all proportion. Apart from these two \TeX-relevant talks, \sgml\ User Group meetings are also quite useful as a way of keeping in touch with some other aspects of the `structured documentation' world. Many of the speakers are from commercial organisations, and it is always of interest to see how real world problems are identified and solved. \smallskip \rightline{\sl Malcolm Clark}